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Users on #techshow: Allan linc dann Javelin rod @Mellofone
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<Mellofone>
the stream took a dive :)
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<linc>
Ah, yup..
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<Mellofone>
:)
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<linc>
For some reason it has not been a good night for our muse software
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<linc>
you guys gettin the stream ok now?
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<Mellofone>
working now.
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<Javelin>
w00t!
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* Javelin
wonders if they would review MY product...
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* Javelin
wonders just how do I contact these guys with MY question!
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<Mellofone>
:)
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<Javelin>
;)
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<linc>
w00t! l00ks lik3 w3 h@\/3 @ l33t hax0r :-)
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<rod>
hahahahaha
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<Mellofone>
is Gentoo loaded on it? :)
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<Mellofone>
yeah haw
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<linc>
Could be!?
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<rod>
WOOHOOO!!!!
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<Mellofone>
you guys will load Slackware :)
[21:10:14]
<rod>
HAHAHAHA...
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<rod>
oh no
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<rod>
oh boy ...
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<Mellofone>
lol
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* Mellofone
chants, "Gentoo Gentoo Gentoo"
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<rod>
hahaha
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<Mellofone>
oh come on :)
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<Mellofone>
heh registration pppffftttt
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<linc>
right, only need that stuff if you can afford OSX :-)
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<linc>
Slackware rulez.
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<Mellofone>
since when? :)
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<Javelin>
*cough*Debian*cough*
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<linc>
always
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<Mellofone>
there is a reason apt-get is copied to other distros :)
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<Javelin>
Because it is the evolution of package management.
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<linc>
yand it doesn't work on any of them either
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<Javelin>
It works on Debian :)
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<linc>
;-)
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<Mellofone>
Hey!
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<Mellofone>
bastards! :)
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<linc>
ahahah
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<Javelin>
I'm planning on using MacOS X ..... as soon as I move to San Francisco and start wearing black turtlenecks all the time.
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<Mellofone>
Mac users are hippies :)
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<rod>
hehehehehe
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<Javelin>
Pop up messages on 135/tcp? Gah! Firewalls?
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<Mellofone>
must be the CLIU :)
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<dann>
how did you guess
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<Javelin>
"Hi. I've got no firewall. Come molest my network."
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<Mellofone>
sure there is!
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<Mellofone>
Mplayer!
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<rod>
I'm a new user and I LOVE it!!!
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<linc>
new computer user? new linux user? new user of ??
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<Mellofone>
dann: I am behind the CLIU. I know all about it :)
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<rod>
OH, sorry.. new linux user
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<linc>
:-)
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<rod>
hehehe
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<linc>
Linux is good stuff
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<rod>
it's AWESOME
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<Mellofone>
well keep dreaming :)
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<dann>
hey tgvf5
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<tgvf5>
Hello Dan... This is TOM from the LVLUG last night
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<dann>
Hey tom, great that you can join us.
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<tgvf5>
my pleasure... it's been a while since I've used this kind of client...
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<dann>
what client is that?
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<tgvf5>
Enjoy the break guys... purchased the LVLUG cap :-) from cafepress
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<tgvf5>
oh something like this xchat... It's been a few years...aside from GAIM I rarely chat...
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<dann>
Wow, great! You are the second person to buy something!
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<linc>
cool!
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<tgvf5>
LOL!
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<Allan>
we expect to see you wear it at the next meeting!
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<tgvf5>
YESSIR... Something to don at the gathering at the JAVITS Center in Jan 2004 too
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<rod>
did you guys have stuff to buy at the meeting last night?
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<tgvf5>
glad to have finally made it to a meeting... been to a few with Jeff Z in the past
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<dann>
Someone keeps dropping on the stream. Anyone having problems?
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<rod>
yeah, me
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<Javelin>
And me
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<tgvf5>
I've had a LINK to LVLUG since I've been out here... at http://tgvf5.dnsalias.com:90/
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<Mellofone>
yeah Xbox!
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<Javelin>
I set my prebuffer to a much higher value.... so I'll be way behind but at least it wont drop.
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<tgvf5>
my first time using XCHAT... I guess I'm having beginner's luck.
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<Mellofone>
your welcome Allan :)
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<Javelin>
Go mello!
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<Mellofone>
xebian
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<tgvf5>
I really enjoy supporting the cause :-) I'll be donning the new cap throughout the valley
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<dann>
excellent.
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<Mellofone>
try HP media
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<Mellofone>
that's supposed to be the best
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<rod>
those sneaky bastards
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<Mellofone>
:P
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<tgvf5>
I'll be there tonight after the show... WMart trexlertown area... :-)
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<dann>
you hang out at walmart a lot?
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<Mellofone>
that's why the "software hack" is best
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<Mellofone>
because you can use it as an xbox or to boot linux
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<tgvf5>
not a lot... wife likes it because I generally worked 3rd shift... on my nights off, we'd pick things up...generally decent prices on computer thingies...
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<dann>
I hear if you update from MS, though, it renders the software hack unuseable.
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<Mellofone>
MythTv!
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<Mellofone>
that's what I use my 2 Xboxs for
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<Mellofone>
MythTv!
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<Mellofone>
MythTv!
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<Mellofone>
:)
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<Javelin>
Heh, MythTV does rock.
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<Mellofone>
BTW, Matthew = Mellofone :)
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<Mellofone>
it runs a win2k kernel
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<Mellofone>
stripped down version
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<dann>
thanks
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<Mellofone>
sorry, I'll shush :)
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<Javelin>
We need to get mello on the radio!
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<Mellofone>
we do? :)
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<dann>
no need to shush, you information is extremely helpful
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<Allan>
Thanks for your help Matthew
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<Mellofone>
NP
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<rod>
presentations were cool .. I didn't realize The Gimp was so feature rich
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<dann>
it only gets better, the gimp, that it does.
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<Mellofone>
the new unstable version is amazing
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<rod>
now, I just have to learn to install it! ;^)
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<Mellofone>
lol
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<dann>
I love it. Bummer that there is no documentation with it yet, but then again, it's like finding treasure everytime you unlock a new feature or one you did not know existed.
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<Mellofone>
if you want to learn The Gimp, check out the book "Grokking The Gimp"
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<rod>
I come from the Photoshop crowd and I love layers .. didn't realize it had layering technology
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<Javelin>
CDE -- Nooo!!!!!
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<Mellofone>
heheeh
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<Mellofone>
no?
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<Javelin>
CDE is window manager they use in hell.
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<Javelin>
They force you to use it. :)
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<Mellofone>
heheheeh
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<rod>
LOL
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<dann>
or when you go to Linc's house,
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<rod>
HAHAHAHA
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<dann>
but if you are lucky, he'll give you xfce
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<Javelin>
I've spent too much time using CDE on Solaris.
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<Mellofone>
what you need is fluxbox :)
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<Javelin>
I gotta admit... I'm a KDE fan. KMail is a nice Eudora-ish clone.
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<Mellofone>
ARGH
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<Mellofone>
KDE = FLUFF :)
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<Javelin>
No disrespect to Fluxbox.
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<dann>
k d e s l o w
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<Javelin>
It's fast as anything on my machine.
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<dann>
but nice
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<dann>
you running an athalon over there?
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<rod>
I'm running an Athlon
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<rod>
I have no probs
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<Mellofone>
nothing but athlon :)
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<Javelin>
AthlonXP here
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<rod>
OH YEAH!
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<rod>
WOOHOO
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<Mellofone>
Email. Nothing else is close to mutt :)
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<Javelin>
Heh.
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<dann>
well, I'm running k3 400mz and pIII 550 so KDE is a bit slow on those machines
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<Javelin>
You and your ncurses addiction.
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<rod>
ah..
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<Mellofone>
if there isn't an ncurses app, I don't need it :)
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<Javelin>
Pine. Now there's a MUA....
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<Allan>
I was running kde until dann and linc beat me up...
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<rod>
LOL
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<Javelin>
Games are what really keep me from running Linux on the desktop all the time.
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<rod>
Must have been what those pics of you in The Gimp were for ..
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<Mellofone>
UT2003 and Never Winter NIghts have linux clients :)
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<Mellofone>
WTF else is there?
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<rod>
NWN works good on Linux?
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<Javelin>
That they do. And Red Faction? Total War? Jedi Knight series?
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<Mellofone>
yeah, there is a NWN linux client
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<rod>
I hear about it, but wasn't sure if it was "stable" or not
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<Javelin>
ga-new-cash? bless you!
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<Mellofone>
it's stable
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<Mellofone>
I have played it
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<rod>
sweet ..
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<dann>
ever try compiling gnucash? Not a walk in the park
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<Mellofone>
wotks great on gentoo :)
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<rod>
Any good PVR software available that works with ATI A-I-W 9700 Pro?
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<Mellofone>
you have to watch ATI stuff and Linux
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<rod>
uh-oh
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<Mellofone>
but MythTV is what you NEED for PVR
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<Mellofone>
hands down
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<Javelin>
As far as I'm concerned, you have to watch ATI hardware and _any_ OS.
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<rod>
MythTV compatible with ATI stuff?
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<Mellofone>
heh
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<rod>
HAHAHAHA
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<rod>
OPERA!!!
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<Mellofone>
ATI does not work well with Linux
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<rod>
oh..
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<rod>
:(
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<Mellofone>
mainly the All In Wonder stuff though
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<Mellofone>
I use an ATI TV Wonder to run my MythTV setup
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<rod>
ouch .. that's what I have
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<Javelin>
All those browsers (minus galeon) run on Windows too.
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<Javelin>
The latest Firebird is very very nice. I've switched away from IE6.
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* Mellofone
cheers.
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<tgvf5>
Dann/Linc Excellent presentations last night... See you next month, I'll tune in next week... reminder http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/ register prior to 12/19 receive package in mail. Thanks to ALL of you for everything.
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<dann>
thank you
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<tgvf5>
my wife, daughter been running linux the past 2 years... don't log into the OTHER OS at all... they are BOTH extremely happy on other OS option on home machines...
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<Javelin>
But I can't play NHL 2001 on Linux!
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<Javelin>
:)
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<Mellofone>
buy an Xbox fool!
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<Mellofone>
:)
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<tgvf5>
that is they can't log into the OTHER OS at all at home...daughter at Washington U @ St. Louis techies there applaud her for running LINUX :-)
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<rod>
PS2 <--- WOOHOO
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<Mellofone>
gan-yea
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<rod>
I stream my recordings from my ATI AIW windows box to my PS2 with QCast media server .. pretty neat stuff
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<rod>
makes my wife happy when she can watch her soaps
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<Mellofone>
get MythTV and get happy.
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<rod>
but I have an ATI AIW ..
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<Mellofone>
buy a cheap TV card
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<rod>
what are you using?
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<Mellofone>
ATI TV Wonder
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<rod>
hhmm... and all is well with that one?
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<Mellofone>
but the best is the Hauppage PVR-250
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<rod>
ahhh
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<Javelin>
Moving to Linux: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0321159985/
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<Mellofone>
a little more expensive, but it has it's own mpeg processor
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<rod>
fully supported by Linux?
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<Javelin>
PVR-250 is about $130 on Amazon right now by the way
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<rod>
hhmm... not bad
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<Mellofone>
yup
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<Javelin>
Thanks for the show guys!!!
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<rod>
Thanks for broadcasting
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<Javelin>
Very cool.
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<tgvf5>
I grabbed them all earlier today from the archives... nice...
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<rod>
hahahahahaa
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<Mellofone>
thanks for the show guys....
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<linc>
cool!
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<linc>
thanx for listening!
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<Allan>
No Problem
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<rod>
nice show ...
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<rod>
Thanks for the info, Mell
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<Mellofone>
no problem
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<rod>
I'll have to scope out the MarketPro show this weekend in Allentown for that card
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<tgvf5>
nice plug...didn't realize it was back again... MarketPro show that is...thanks!
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<Mellofone>
you can buy it new for like $45
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<rod>
the 250?
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<Mellofone>
oh no
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<Mellofone>
sorry
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<Mellofone>
the PVR is like $140 on average
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<rod>
aahh..
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<tgvf5>
Great show...thankyou all for your time... Tom
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<rod>
good evening everyone.. thanks for all the information
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<Mellofone>
cya next Wednesday!
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